[FC-discuss] [FC-Discuss] Universities and free content

Fred Benenson fred.benenson at gmail.com
Tue Oct 2 07:47:19 JST 2007 

The whole point should be to encourage people who don't have a chapter to go
discover these facts.

We should absolutely not make it a requisite that you have to have a
chapter, or even an interest in starting one, in order to help us.

FYI NYU's policy is pretty good -- they're really cagey about giving out
privacy information to non-supoenaing parties, and they let students own
their work and release it under CC / GPL / whatever.

I've also have had meetings with the Dean of Libraries and other big people
at NYU and they tend to be pretty accepting about Open Access though not
necessarily pro-active.

But their p2p policy is pretty stupid, they have plenty of double-speak in
it. Anyway, maybe I'll create an entry in here for it.

But I'd really like a chart -- does anyone want to make one? With nice Red /
Green backgrounds?

F


On 10/1/07, Elizabeth Stark <estark at law.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes certain high-up people have also indicated that they'd be
> interested in a project like this.
>
> I think it's important to communicate this to the chapters. I'll work
> with Fred on cleaning up the "survey" and sending it out to chapters
> more directly. Also, if people have contacts at other schools, no
> reason why they can't also fill it out...
>
> Once we get the PR, we should have a way for people to submit a survey
> about their own school, even if they don't have a chapter yet.
>
> On 10/1/07, Fred Benenson <fred.benenson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ok, it's up, albeit sloppily:
> >
> >
> > http://wiki.freeculture.org/Hit_List
> >
> > It needs a chart, but I'm too lazy to figure out how to do that right
> now...
> >
> > So just add schools, links, etc.
> >
> > This is where we should work on this now.
> >
> > Once we get the page looking good, with some good examples, etc. We
> should
> > post to digg / boingboing / slashdot. It'll get a lot of good press.
> >
> >
> > F
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/1/07, Fred Benenson <fred.benenson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, good point -- eBook software "acceptance" is a good issue.
> > >
> > > Also
> > >
> > > #5) Blackboard v. Sakai v. Moodle vs. etc.
> > > What kind of courseware? is it open access? etc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/1/07, Conor Schaefer <conor.schaefer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Great list! Regarding the fourth point, I'd say that it would
> behoove us
> > to look into what kinds of electronic access the libraries use. For
> > instance, I know some schools where PDFs of important articles are
> scanned
> > and then hosted to anyone logged onto the campus network (or
> additionally
> > via VPN). Other schools are much more locked down, mandating for
> instance
> > proprietary eBook reading software. I've read a lot, as I'm sure you all
> > have, about public libraries having the problem of satisfying the
> masses,
> > meaning essentially that because people aren't clamoring for open
> access,
> > they're not going to get it.
> > > >
> > > > Fred Benenson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The only reason I'm currently "attributing" it to FC @ NYU is
> because
> > I've brought up the hit list idea many many times on this list before
> and
> > while people sounded excited, it didn't really get anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > However, at a recent FC @ NYU meeting I had many people agree to put
> in
> > a couple hours to get the project done over the next semester or so, so
> I
> > figured we'd just take the reigns and go from there.
> > > >
> > > > So I'm not in this for the attribution -- I just want to get it
> done,
> > and now that there's renewed interest on the national level, I'm happy
> to
> > head it up. I'm going to create a wiki entry on the FreeCulture.org wiki
> (FC
> > @ NYU wiki's spam / content ratio was debilitating high so it's dead
> now)
> > soon and post the link here.
> > > >
> > > > The big things we want to get clear about are:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Student copyright policy
> > > >   What rights do students have to their work? Moreover, are they
> allowed
> > to freely license it?
> > > >
> > > > 2) p2p filesharing policy
> > > >    How willing is the university to play ball with RIAA's
> extortionist
> > tactics? Do they readily give up student information, or ban the student
> > from the network? 3 strikes? 1 strike? Do they offer services to
> students
> > who are sued? What is the party line about the copious amounts of file
> > sharing that is obviously going on on their campuses?
> > > >
> > > > 3) Privacy / Free Speech stuff
> > > >   Is running Tor legal? Can you protest easily?
> > > >
> > > > 4) Open Access
> > > >   How receptive are the librarians / academics to open access
> > publishing? This is a hard thing to quantify, but perhaps you guys have
> some
> > better ideas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok, will get this up soon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > F
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/1/07, Conor Schaefer <conor.schaefer at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting: such a move would shift the focus of the citation
> aspect
> > of most free licenses away from FC at NYU and more onto FC.org in general,
> no?
> > I'm neither disapproving of this myself, nor implying that Fred might do
> > so... I just find it an intriguing issue, given the content of this
> > listserv!
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course it could be hosted on FC.org and still credited to
> FC at NYU,
> > but wikiship means authorship would be a tricky business.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just enjoying the game, my friends....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Asheesh Laroia wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, Fred Benenson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed, but couching it with enough context is what makes an even
> > bigger
> > > > > splash.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's also a matter of timing on our side -- we have a lot of
> events
> > this
> > > > > semester so we have to use our time wisely together.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We'll probably be picking universities in the next week or two ...
> > > > >
> > > > > In the time before it's "released", I urge you to work on it in
> some
> > > > > collaborative medium like a wiki. I would think it's okay if that
> work
> > > > > happens in public, since you can "publish" a version independent
> of
> > the
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > wiki and call that the first published version.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Asheesh.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program,
> wake
> > him up.
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