[FC-discuss] Fine, local events are now always allowed on this list

Elizabeth Stark emstark at gmail.com
Sat Oct 27 03:23:18 JST 2007 

yup, copynight happens in a variety of cities on the same night and i'd
rather not hear about toronto, sf, boston, ny, florida copynights all on
this list.

anyway, i trust the list members and their judgment.

-e

On 10/26/07, Nelson Pavlosky <nelson at freeculture.org> wrote:
>
> Couldn't your "not appropriate" example be Copynight
> <http://www.copynight.org/>, which is actually kind of interesting?
>
> Anyway, I'm not going to enforce any local event policy of any kind, I'm
> not going to make that judgment call... if someone is posting too much
> about their Cambridge bar-hopping habits, find someone else to ban them,
> or DIY.
>
> Peace,
> ~Nelson~
>
> Elizabeth Stark wrote:
> > To clarify, here's what my policy would be (similar to Crosbie's)
> >
> > We're all meeting up at a bar in Cambridge to discuss FC -- NOT
> > appropriate
> >
> > A bunch of us are going to the supreme court hearing for Golan v.
> > Gonzales (if it happens), and this is an important case about the
> > public domain and its role in free speech, etc etc. -- appropriate.
> >
> > -E
> >
> > On 10/26/07, *Nelson Pavlosky* <nelson at freeculture.org
> > <mailto:nelson at freeculture.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Alright, if everyone wants to end this policy, then I'll retract it.
> >
> >     I originally created the "no local events" policy because Jay was
> >     repeatedly posting local NYC events that were only vaguely related
> to
> >     free culture, and multiple people (including Elizabeth) were
> >     complaining
> >     about that on this list.  I figured it would be better to lay down
> any
> >     such policy sooner rather than later so that we didn't get spammed
> by
> >     local events from everywhere in the globe that 95% of the people
> >     on the
> >     list can't attend when people other than Jay start posting local
> >     events.  (NYC is relevant to us b/c we all live on the eastern
> >     seaboard
> >     of the US, but what happens as the organization grows
> geographically?)
> >     I also thought it would be easier to ban local events than to try to
> >     define exactly what events are free culture related, which is a hard
> >     call given our broad mission.
> >
> >     However, this is also the official "high traffic" FC list, so I
> >     guess if
> >     you don't want to hear about local events, then you'll just have to
> >     unsubscribe now.
> >
> >     Let's please try to keep stuff related to free culture though,
> >     OK?  Some
> >     of Jay's local events that people complained about were only
> >     related to
> >     the technical aspects of Linux or vi, and not really about the
> >     philosophical or political aspects of free culture or free software.
> >
> >     Peace,
> >     ~Nelson~
> >
> >     Kevin Driscoll wrote:
> >     > This email just sparked a big debate in my lab about the use of
> >     > "infinite" in this context.
> >     >
> >     > With the loss of Oink and TV-Links, our distributed libraries of
> >     > culture are clearly not safe.  Has anyone heard of an effort to
> >     > archive or mirror YouTube content?
> >     >
> >     > I can imagine a script that downloads the .flv's of every result
> >     for a
> >     > certain search term.
> >     >
> >     > Fred, can you keep the rest of us updated on the trial?
> >     >
> >     > Kevin
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On 10/25/07, Fred Benenson <frederick at nyu.edu
> >     <mailto:frederick at nyu.edu>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >> The google v. viacom trial is having a hearing in NYC
> >     tomorrow... check out
> >     >> my FC @ NYU announcement:
> >     >>
> >     >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >     >> From: Fred Benenson < frederick at nyu.edu <mailto:frederick at nyu.edu
> >>
> >     >> Date: Oct 25, 2007 5:51 PM
> >     >> Subject: Google v. Viacom Tomorrow
> >     >> To: "Free Culture @ NYU's list serv" <
> >     free-culture at lists.nyu.edu <mailto:free-culture at lists.nyu.edu>>
> >     >>
> >     >> Free Culture @ NYU,
> >     >>   So one of the benefits of living in a self-proclaimed
> >     democracy is that at
> >     >> least some of the court trials are mostly open to the public.
> >     That means
> >     >> that when Viacom sues Google for ONE BILLION DOLLARS over
> YouTube's
> >     >> "infinite amount of infringement" we're allowed to sit in on
> >     all the court
> >     >> room antics.
> >     >>
> >     >> I attended the first (and last, as far as I can tell) hearing
> >     and it was a
> >     >> scheduling hearing. Despite a stern warning from my lawyer
> >     friends that the
> >     >> hearing would be immensely boring, I really enjoyed it. The two
> >     sides ended
> >     >> up getting into their arguments in a very inappropriate and
> >     entertaining
> >     >> way.
> >     >>
> >     >> Now, I have no idea whether tomorrow will have the same kind of
> >     fireworks,
> >     >> but I am certainly intending on being there. There were mostly
> >     reporters and
> >     >> lawyers (especially one lawyer who kept on sneering when Google
> >     would say
> >     >> stuff like "How are we supposed to take responsibility for an
> >     'infinite
> >     >> amount of infringement?'") last time and I felt a little out of
> >     place with a
> >     >> t-shirt, so you might consider wearing something nice if you
> >     don't want to
> >     >> feel awkward.
> >     >>
> >     >> Anyway, here's the information:
> >     >>
> >     >> Google v. Viacom
> >     >> 4pm, October 26th 2007
> >     >> Room 21C
> >     >> Judge Louis L. Stanton
> >     >>  United States Courthouse
> >     >>  500 Pearl Street
> >     >>  New York, NY 10007-1312
> >     >> Phone: 212-805-0136
> >     >> If anyone wants to meet up, I'll be outside (or maybe in the
> >     lobby if its
> >     >> really going to rain) around 3:30.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> Best,
> >     >>
> >     >> Fred Benenson
> >     >> President, Free Culture @ NYU
> >     >>
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