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Sun Jun 29 23:55:31 EDT 2008
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1) We should open up a discussion to establish some basic guidelines<br>
of what we want to see out of fair use and the line over which we<br>
don't think companies/organizations/institutions should cross. This'd<br>
make not only our position clear, but act as a basis for action when<br>
someone tries to shrink fair use further.<br>
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2) Eventually, it would be great if we made publicly available a list<br>
of artists that Free Culture will take action to protect/retaliate for<br>
if they are targeted. i.e. you mess with these folks, we're going to<br>
mess with you.<br>
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Both of these seem like perfect issues to address on the second day of<br>
the conference in October. Thoughts? Would people be interested in<br>
that?<br>
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Best,<br>
<font color="#888888">Tim<br>
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Brian Rowe <<a href="mailto:brian at freedomforip.org" target="_blank">brian at freedomforip.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I would support Students for Free Culture working actively to protect and<br>
> expand fair use. Fair use is the 1st amendment in the copyright act and<br>
> should be a powerful tool for artist, innovators and those working in the<br>
> public interest to utilize. Internationally fair use is also becoming an<br>
> interesting issue. With Israel adopting fair use and Japan considering it<br>
> we could be active in trying to expand its reach domestically and<br>
> globally.<br>
><br>
> On a related note:<br>
><br>
> Mockingbirds are the true artists of the bird kingdom. Which is to say,<br>
> although they're born with a song of their own, an innate riff that happens<br>
> to be one of the most versatile of all ornithological expressions,<br>
> mockingbirds aren't content to merely play the hand that is dealt them. Like<br>
> all artists, they are out to rearrange reality. Innovative, willful, daring,<br>
> not bound by the rules to which others may blindly adhere, the mockingbird<br>
> collects snatches of birdsong from this tree and that field, appropriates<br>
> them, places them in new and unexpected contexts, recreates the world from<br>
> the world. For example, a mockingbird in South Carolina was heard to bend<br>
> the songs of thirty-two different kinds of birds into a ten-minute<br>
> performance, a virtuoso display that served no practical purpose, falling,<br>
> therefore, into the realm of pure art.<br>
><br>
> - Tom Robbins, Skinny Legs and All, 1990<br>
><br>
> Having read that, can you honestly feel that the law ought to ban outright<br>
> artists like Girl Talk and sound advice? We are strangling the innovative,<br>
> willful, daring mockingbirds of our time.<br>
><br>
> Posted originally by sarah davies at Civil Disobedient<br>
><br>
> -Brian Rowe<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Raphael Krut-Landau <<a href="mailto:raffi at jhu.edu" target="_blank">raffi at jhu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I third that motion, and I found another New York Times item about<br>
>> derivative music:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://measureformeasure.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/rip-off-artist/" target="_blank">http://measureformeasure.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/rip-off-artist/</a><br>
>><br>
>> It's a personal reflection by a musician (Jeffrey Lewis) on his<br>
>> discovery that many of his songs draw heavily, if unintentionally,<br>
>> from other works.<br>
>><br>
>> "Despite knowing all this, as a supposedly "creative" artist I am<br>
>> often shocked to discover that a song I've written has been a blatant<br>
>> unconscious rip-off of somebody else's song, either in its structure,<br>
>> or lyrics, etc; if I'm lucky the other person's song is not<br>
>> particularly popular or recognizable!"<br>
>><br>
>> It has some lovely philosophical gestures that reminded me of Lessig's<br>
>> old slideshow talk about copyleft:<br>
>><br>
>> "All aspects of creativity are basically reconstituted bits and pieces<br>
>> of things we've seen, heard and experienced, finely or not-so-finely<br>
>> chopped and served in a form that hopefully blends the ingredients<br>
>> into something 'new.' "<br>
>><br>
>> Raffi<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Parker Higgins <<a href="mailto:parkerhiggins at gmail.com" target="_blank">parkerhiggins at gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > And also, in case you missed it (I forget which mailing list I'm on sent<br>
>> > it<br>
>> > to me), there was that girltalk article in the NY Times just a few days<br>
>> > ago:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/arts/music/07girl.html?scp=1&sq=girl%20talk&st=cse&pagewanted=all" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/arts/music/07girl.html?scp=1&sq=girl%20talk&st=cse&pagewanted=all</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I second the album being incredible...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Parker<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:15 AM, FreeCulture.org - Students for Free<br>
>> > Culture<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:webleader%2Brss-bot at freeculture.org" target="_blank">webleader+rss-bot at freeculture.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Writes Frank Tobia on our blog:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I've been listening to the [new Girl Talk album][1], and I must say<br>
>> >> that<br>
>> >> it is effing brilliant. For the uninitiated, [Girl Talk][2] is an<br>
>> >> engineer-turned-artist named Gregg Gillis who creates music by remixing<br>
>> >> samples of others' songs without getting permission first. If you<br>
>> >> haven't heard his stuff, stop what you're doing right now and visit<br>
>> >> [his<br>
>> >> MySpace page][3] for a listen.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Girl Talk is claiming his creations fall under [fair use][4], which<br>
>> >> defines exceptions to the exclusivity of copyright. If he didn't invoke<br>
>> >> fair use, creating his album would have been prohibitively expensive at<br>
>> >> the very least. More likely, the barriers to entry would have kept him<br>
>> >> from ever creating it in the first place. And let me tell you, that<br>
>> >> would be a damn shame. As I probably don't have to remind everyone,<br>
>> >> there's something wrong when this kind of creativity could be illegal.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Fair use needs to protect creative artists, and it needs to protect<br>
>> >> transformative works. Law should take into account social norms and<br>
>> >> the<br>
>> >> public interest; if people find this type of art to be valuable, then<br>
>> >> that should factor into related legal deliberations. Likewise, Students<br>
>> >> for Free Culture should take a strong stand on fair use. We should<br>
>> >> discuss what areas of fair use are important to advocate for. We should<br>
>> >> think about raising hell if Girl Talk gets hit with a lawsuit.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> [![][5]][5]<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> [1]: <a href="http://74.124.198.47/illegal-" target="_blank">http://74.124.198.47/illegal-</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://art.net/__girl__talk___feed__the__anima.ls___/" target="_blank">art.net/__girl__talk___feed__the__anima.ls___/</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> [2]: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Talk_%28musician%29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Talk_(musician)</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> [3]: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/girltalk" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/girltalk</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> [4]: <a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html" target="_blank">http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> [5]: <a href="http://freeculture.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/fair-use.jpg" target="_blank">http://freeculture.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/fair-use.jpg</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> URL: <a href="http://freeculture.org/blog/2008/08/09/girl-talk-and-fair-use/" target="_blank">http://freeculture.org/blog/2008/08/09/girl-talk-and-fair-use/</a><br>
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