[FC-discuss] Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail

[Ben Moskowitz]

put it in!

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On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:

> This is beginning to smell like a good workshop/discussion for the
> un-conference on Sunday. "Google Eating University Email Services,  
> Many
> Concerned -- or -- Hard-pressed Institutions Saving a Buck with  
> Google's
> Quality Email Service"
>
>> This seems to have a lot of answers...
>> It's a Google Q&A session with ASU:
>>
>> http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:P66bh5pCrl4J:vpiet.ucdavis.edu/students/UCD.Google.Meeting.Notes.01.24.07.doc+ferpa+gmail&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
>>
>> Essentially, we're writing an op-ed about this decision, but  
>> focusing less
>> on (yet definitely mentioning) the potential issues, and more on  
>> the lack
>> of
>> transparency behind this change.
>>
>> -Adi
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Alec Story <avs38 at cornell.edu>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Greg Grossmeier
>>> <greg at grossmeier.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> "useful" web interface is up for debate regarding gmail: where  
>>>> the EF
>>>> are
>>>> my threads? Do you know where in the thread I am replying right  
>>>> now,
>>>> and
>>>> to whom? Only because I quote correctly. </rant>
>>>>
>>>> But seriously, I don't know of any modern university IT  
>>>> department who
>>>> also doesn't have "tons of storage" along with IMAP and POP access.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I can give you one that doesn't:  Cornell's in-house system  
>>> (which
>>> is
>>> still running, I think, although they're trying to move everybody  
>>> off of
>>> it)
>>> only offer something like 200 MB of storage, which is very easy to  
>>> fill,
>>> even without trying to use email for storing much.  And the web
>>> interface we
>>> had before was a joke - it took six or seven clicks just to get to  
>>> the
>>> most
>>> recent messages, messages weren't sorted by anything by default as  
>>> far
>>> as I
>>> could tell, and even when you got them sorted by date, the most  
>>> recent
>>> loaded at the bottom, and it took the server 1-2 minutes to send  
>>> you the
>>> previous 100 or so messages on that page.  I used Evolution because
>>> there
>>> was no other feasible way to read email, but I couldn't use it on
>>> library
>>> computers, and thunderbird portable is a hassle to bring  
>>> everywhere with
>>> you.
>>>
>>> So, from a usability standpoint, a lot of us here welcomed Google  
>>> with
>>> open
>>> arms, but there's shockingly little thought about the privacy
>>> ramifications.  We tried to raise some awareness, but FCCornell is
>>> suffering
>>> from, er, acute member shortage.
>>>
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