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It's very late here, but I'd be happy to work on that this week. I
fully expect someone to beat me to it, though.<br>
<br>
Nice to see some momentum building. We can get this in pretty great
shape by the end of the week, although I should think it would take
most universities to reply to requests about policies a bit longer.
I'll start combing around the websites of universities I know for
empirical propaganda. ;) The surveys should take care of the other side
of the story, if it is for any reason necessary to draw such a
dichotomy.<br>
<br>
Conor<br>
<br>
Fred Benenson wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:8e447b720710011547m74e57764ud05901472e537ed8@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">The whole point should be to encourage people who don't
have a chapter to go discover these facts. <br>
<br>
We should absolutely not make it a requisite that you have to have a
chapter, or even an interest in starting one, in order to help us. <br>
<br>
FYI NYU's policy is pretty good -- they're really cagey about giving
out privacy information to non-supoenaing parties, and they let
students own their work and release it under CC / GPL / whatever.<br>
<br>
I've also have had meetings with the Dean of Libraries and other big
people at NYU and they tend to be pretty accepting about Open Access
though not necessarily pro-active.<br>
<br>
But their p2p policy is pretty stupid, they have plenty of double-speak
in it. Anyway, maybe I'll create an entry in here for it.
<br>
<br>
But I'd really like a chart -- does anyone want to make one? With nice
Red / Green backgrounds?<br>
<br>
F<br>
<br>
<br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/1/07, <b
class="gmail_sendername">Elizabeth Stark</b> <
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:estark@law.harvard.edu">estark@law.harvard.edu</a>>
wrote:</span>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Yes
certain high-up people have also indicated that they'd be
<br>
interested in a project like this.<br>
<br>
I think it's important to communicate this to the chapters. I'll work<br>
with Fred on cleaning up the "survey" and sending it out to chapters<br>
more directly. Also, if people have contacts at other schools, no
<br>
reason why they can't also fill it out...<br>
<br>
Once we get the PR, we should have a way for people to submit a survey<br>
about their own school, even if they don't have a chapter yet.<br>
<br>
On 10/1/07, Fred Benenson <
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Ok, it's up, albeit sloppily:<br>
><br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.freeculture.org/Hit_List">http://wiki.freeculture.org/Hit_List
</a><br>
><br>
> It needs a chart, but I'm too lazy to figure out how to do that
right now...<br>
><br>
> So just add schools, links, etc.<br>
><br>
> This is where we should work on this now.<br>
><br>
> Once we get the page looking good, with some good examples, etc.
We should
<br>
> post to digg / boingboing / slashdot. It'll get a lot of good
press.<br>
><br>
><br>
> F<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10/1/07, Fred Benenson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com
</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Yes, good point -- eBook software "acceptance" is a good
issue.<br>
> ><br>
> > Also<br>
> ><br>
> > #5) Blackboard v. Sakai v. Moodle vs. etc.<br>
> > What kind of courseware? is it open access? etc
<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 10/1/07, Conor Schaefer <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:conor.schaefer@gmail.com">conor.schaefer@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Great list! Regarding the fourth point, I'd say that it
would behoove us
<br>
> to look into what kinds of electronic access the libraries use. For<br>
> instance, I know some schools where PDFs of important articles are
scanned<br>
> and then hosted to anyone logged onto the campus network (or
additionally
<br>
> via VPN). Other schools are much more locked down, mandating for
instance<br>
> proprietary eBook reading software. I've read a lot, as I'm sure
you all<br>
> have, about public libraries having the problem of satisfying the
masses,
<br>
> meaning essentially that because people aren't clamoring for open
access,<br>
> they're not going to get it.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Fred Benenson wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The only reason I'm currently "attributing" it to FC @
NYU is because
<br>
> I've brought up the hit list idea many many times on this list
before and<br>
> while people sounded excited, it didn't really get anywhere.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > However, at a recent FC @ NYU meeting I had many people
agree to put in
<br>
> a couple hours to get the project done over the next semester or
so, so I<br>
> figured we'd just take the reigns and go from there.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So I'm not in this for the attribution -- I just want to
get it done,
<br>
> and now that there's renewed interest on the national level, I'm
happy to<br>
> head it up. I'm going to create a wiki entry on the
FreeCulture.org wiki (FC<br>
> @ NYU wiki's spam / content ratio was debilitating high so it's
dead now)
<br>
> soon and post the link here.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The big things we want to get clear about are:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 1) Student copyright policy<br>
> > > What rights do students have to their work? Moreover,
are they allowed
<br>
> to freely license it?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 2) p2p filesharing policy<br>
> > > How willing is the university to play ball with
RIAA's extortionist<br>
> tactics? Do they readily give up student information, or ban the
student
<br>
> from the network? 3 strikes? 1 strike? Do they offer services to
students<br>
> who are sued? What is the party line about the copious amounts of
file<br>
> sharing that is obviously going on on their campuses?
<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 3) Privacy / Free Speech stuff<br>
> > > Is running Tor legal? Can you protest easily?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 4) Open Access<br>
> > > How receptive are the librarians / academics to open
access
<br>
> publishing? This is a hard thing to quantify, but perhaps you guys
have some<br>
> better ideas.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Ok, will get this up soon.<br>
> > ><br>
> > >
<br>
> > > F<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 10/1/07, Conor Schaefer <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:conor.schaefer@gmail.com">conor.schaefer@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
> > > >
<br>
> > > > Interesting: such a move would shift the focus of
the citation aspect<br>
> of most free licenses away from FC@NYU and more onto FC.org in
general, no?<br>
> I'm neither disapproving of this myself, nor implying that Fred
might do
<br>
> so... I just find it an intriguing issue, given the content of this<br>
> listserv!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Of course it could be hosted on FC.org and still
credited to FC@NYU,<br>
> but wikiship means authorship would be a tricky business.
<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Just enjoying the game, my friends....<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Asheesh Laroia wrote:<br>
> > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, Fred Benenson wrote:
<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Indeed, but couching it with enough context is what
makes an even<br>
> bigger<br>
> > > > splash.<br>
> > > >
<br>
> > > > It's also a matter of timing on our side -- we have
a lot of events<br>
> this<br>
> > > > semester so we have to use our time wisely together.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >
<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > We'll probably be picking universities in the next
week or two ...<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > In the time before it's "released", I urge you to
work on it in some
<br>
> > > > collaborative medium like a wiki. I would think
it's okay if that work<br>
> > > > happens in public, since you can "publish" a
version independent of<br>
> the<br>
> > > >
<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > wiki and call that the first published version.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > -- Asheesh.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > --
<br>
> > > > If a listener nods his head when you're explaining
your program, wake<br>
> him up.<br>
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