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I have asked SEVERAL times, I have followed procedure, and I KEEP<br>
getting these e-mails! PLEASE REMOVE ME!<br>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:50:35 -0400<br>
> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <<a href="mailto:emstark@gmail.com">emstark@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk<br>
> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in<br>
> particular" <<a href="mailto:discuss@freeculture.org">discuss@freeculture.org</a>><br>
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> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that<br>
> would be a<br>
> case...<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson<br>
> <<a href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay<br>
>> for it.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org">rob@robmyers.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:<br>
>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out<br>
>>>> from the<br>
>>>> infringing work itself.<br>
>>><br>
>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/" target="_blank">http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will<br>
>>> assume that<br>
>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an<br>
>>> infringing work.<br>
>>><br>
>>> - Rob.<br>
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> From: "Fred Benenson" <<a href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk<br>
> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in<br>
> particular" <<a href="mailto:discuss@freeculture.org">discuss@freeculture.org</a>><br>
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> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <<a href="mailto:emstark@gmail.com">emstark@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that<br>
>> would be a<br>
>> case...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay<br>
>>> for it.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org">rob@robmyers.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:<br>
>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out<br>
>>>>> from the<br>
>>>>> infringing work itself.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/" target="_blank">http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will<br>
>>>> assume that<br>
>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an<br>
>>>> infringing work.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> - Rob.<br>
>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>> Discuss mailing list<br>
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>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <<a href="mailto:emstark@gmail.com">emstark@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk<br>
> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in<br>
> particular" <<a href="mailto:discuss@freeculture.org">discuss@freeculture.org</a>><br>
> Message-ID:<br>
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> Exactly.<br>
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> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Benenson<br>
> <<a href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:emstark@gmail.com">emstark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that<br>
>>> would be<br>
>>> a case...<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay<br>
>>>> for it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org">rob@robmyers.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out<br>
>>>>>> from the<br>
>>>>>> infringing work itself.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/" target="_blank">http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will<br>
>>>>> assume that<br>
>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an<br>
>>>>> infringing work.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> - Rob.<br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>> Discuss mailing list<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@freeculture.org">Discuss@freeculture.org</a><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
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> From: "Brian Rowe" <<a href="mailto:brian@freedomforip.org">brian@freedomforip.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk<br>
> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in<br>
> particular" <<a href="mailto:discuss@freeculture.org">discuss@freeculture.org</a>><br>
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> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund.<br>
><br>
> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used<br>
> commercially and<br>
> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a<br>
> copyright<br>
> interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are<br>
> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative<br>
> work either<br>
> through legislation or better fair use precedents.<br>
><br>
> The album is great!<br>
><br>
> Brian<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <<a href="mailto:emstark@gmail.com">emstark@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that<br>
>> would be a<br>
>> case...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay<br>
>>> for it.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org">rob@robmyers.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:<br>
>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out<br>
>>>>> from the<br>
>>>>> infringing work itself.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/" target="_blank">http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will<br>
>>>> assume that<br>
>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an<br>
>>>> infringing work.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> - Rob.<br>
>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>> Discuss mailing list<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@freeculture.org">Discuss@freeculture.org</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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>>> Discuss mailing list<br>
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>>><br>
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> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:25:08 -0400<br>
> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <<a href="mailto:emstark@gmail.com">emstark@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk<br>
> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in<br>
> particular" <<a href="mailto:discuss@freeculture.org">discuss@freeculture.org</a>><br>
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>> I am also not sure one can have a copyright interest in an<br>
>> unauthorized<br>
>> derivative work.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yeah, the caselaw that I recall says that you don't..although we have<br>
> discussed hypotheticals in law school where when the infringing<br>
> part is so<br>
> separate from the rest of the work that there may still be a<br>
> copyright in<br>
> the rest of it (imagine a 3 second sample once during a 10 minute<br>
> song.)<br>
> This is not the case here.<br>
><br>
> But what that means is GT has no copyright of his own. Fascinating..<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Brian Rowe <<a href="mailto:brian@freedomforip.org">brian@freedomforip.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund.<br>
>><br>
>> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used<br>
>> commercially and<br>
>> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a<br>
>> copyright<br>
>> interest in an unauthorized derivative work. The legal questions are<br>
>> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative<br>
>> work either<br>
>> through legislation or better fair use precedents.<br>
>><br>
>> The album is great!<br>
>><br>
>> Brian<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:emstark@gmail.com">emstark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that<br>
>>> would be<br>
>>> a case...<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:fred.benenson@gmail.com">fred.benenson@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay<br>
>>>> for it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <<a href="mailto:rob@robmyers.org">rob@robmyers.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out<br>
>>>>>> from the<br>
>>>>>> infringing work itself.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/" target="_blank">http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will<br>
>>>>> assume that<br>
>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an<br>
>>>>> infringing work.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> - Rob.<br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>> Discuss mailing list<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@freeculture.org">Discuss@freeculture.org</a><br>
>>>>> <a href="http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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>>><br>
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